In 1995 with the opening of Denver International Airport, the National Weather Service moved the Mile High City’s official weather station to the new facility. This location, 12 miles from the old Stapleton site, oftentimes sees far different weather than what the majority of people in the Denver area see and it is reflected in our weather records.
We have long said that any claims of a weather record having been set since 1995 should include an asterisk, noting that the comparison is to the old locations and thus not really valid. Those 12 miles make a world of difference.
In the latest example of how our climate records are being altered, Denver supposedly set five all-time record high temperatures this summer. The reality? Not one of those days would have been record-setting had the station not been moved.
Retired National Weather Service meteorologist Dave Larison has long railed against the move of the weather station. In a recent letter to the editor in the Denver Post, he called out the media hype and the National Weather Service for the invalid comparisons. It is shared here with his permission.
Denver’s recent heat wave wasn’t really record-breaking and here’s why
Denver Post Opinion, August 21, 2024
Re: “100-degree sizzlers here to stay as summers get hotter,” Aug. 11 news story
Any discussion of Denver weather records must include the fact that the official recording site was moved to Denver International Airport (DIA) when it opened in 1995. This location has a different microclimate than the previous site of Stapleton Airport, situated 12 miles to the southwest of DIA. Before Stapleton, weather records were taken in downtown Denver dating back to 1872.
On Sunday, Aug. 4, the daily record high of 102 set at DIA would not have been a record at Denver Central Park (Stapleton) where the daily high was 96. In fact, none of the five daily record highs set at DIA this summer would have been records at the previous Denver sites. DIA has reached 100 degrees on six days in 2024, while the highest temperature recorded at Central Park has been 99.
With all the media hype of human-made climate change and record heat, we need to be careful not to compare apples and oranges with weather stats going out to the world representing Denver. Average annual precipitation also tends to run a bit lower at DIA, and snowfall is quite often less at the airport due to its proximity farther away from the mountains.
— Dave Larison, Longmont
— Editor’s note: Larison is a retired National Weather Service meteorologist
RELATED: Two airports, two different climates. Read the series:
ThorntonWeather.com’s owner and operator used to write for a now-defunct website called Examiner. This was a national site but with locally focused content. As the Denver Weather Examiner, Tony covered a number of topics related to Denver and Colorado weather.
Among them, he was always quick to point out how Denver’s weather records were being skewed by the move of Denver’s official weather station to Denver International Airport. In 2009, he wrote a three-part series explaining why this was an issue and why it mattered.
Fifteen years later, this continues to be a problem and thus we are re-publishing the series here. While the data is not current and some of the images were lost with time, readers can still understand and appreciate the problem.
Part 3: Does it matter if Denver weather and climate records are skewed? Originally published March 5, 2009, Examiner.
Fourteen years ago Denver opened its new airport and the National Weather Service followed suit and moved Denver’s weather monitoring system 12 miles east further onto the plains. Since then, weather enthusiasts and meteorologists have said Denver’s climate records were forever being altered inappropriately.
Monday we provided some background on the history of Denver’s weather monitoring and records. Yesterday we took a look at empirical data that shows that the weather at DIA does not accurately reflect the weather in town where people actually live and showed why it isn’t fair to compare data from the last 14 years to measurements taken in the previous 124. Today we explain why all this matters and talk to the National Weather Service to see what they have to say about the problem.
Does it matter?
Public policy decisions are made based on accurate measurements of our environment and the weather. Consider the debate over global warming or something on a smaller scale closer to home, water management decisions. Living in a semi-arid environment like we do in Colorado, much depends on water- from Colorado’s largest industry of agriculture to how much water you have for your lawn in the summer. If measurements taken at DIA claim an abnormally dry or wet year, governments and the public make decisions based on them. But are those decisions accurate and are they based on valid data?
I spoke to Byron Lewis, Program Manager at the National Weather Service Office in Boulder, and he stated that he felt the comparison of historical records between those taken at DIA and Stapleton should not matter – he says it is no different than when Denver’s official station moved from downtown to Stapleton in 1950. He also felt that the issue of accuracy between precipitation and snow measurements was not noteworthy.
Others see it differently. They point to the fact that the move from downtown to Stapleton was 6 miles – half the distance of the move from Stapleton to DIA. Further, they argue that the area where DIA resides in a much more ‘plains’ type climate and does not accurately reflect Denver weather.
One retired NWS meteorologist told me, “It is climatologically absurd for the NWS to mix the 1872-1994 Denver city records with DIA weather data for the purposes of normals, record extremes, and top ten lists. Many in the public and science community can recognize this fallacy–and it’s making the Weather Service look foolish.”
The Solution
The National Weather Service does at least partially recognize the problem and seems to have acknowledged that the weather at DIA is not what most folks experience within Denver. Mr. Lewis said that next month they hope to begin installing a new monitoring station in Denver City Park. This new station will provide more accurate measurements closer to where people actually live. However, there is a catch – official Denver records and measurements will continue to be taken at DIA.
There is nothing to prevent the National Weather Service from moving the official measuring site back to Stapleton or some other more central location. One local news station has a statement on their website claiming that, “because commercial airports are the origin of regular weather observations in the United States. This is mandated by the National Weather Service and the Federal Aviation Administration.” This is absolutely untrue.
While weather stations must be maintained at major airports for obvious reasons, cities do not need to use those specific stations for their official measurements. In fact, the United States’ two largest cities – New York and Los Angeles – both take official weather measurements in different locations than their airport. New York measures its weather in Central Park and Los Angeles takes its measurements downtown.
It is this weather enthusiast’s opinion that by throwing yet another location into the mix, the water simply gets muddled further. As long as Denver’s “official” weather measurements are taken at DIA, any records should either come with an asterisk denoting that they aren’t comparable to historical records or they should only be based on data collected in the last 14 years.
Unless and until a move is made, we just have to remember to take any announcement of a weather record with a grain of salt.
Two airports, two different climates. Read the series:
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As this is a professional-level weather station to ensure accuracy and reliability, you can imagine it is not cheap. Normally we would not ask this but, in the past, our supporters’ donations have helped us maintain and upgrade the station and we are hoping you might consider helping us keep Thornton’s longest running, most reliable weather station going.
ThorntonWeather.com is billed as Thornton’s only truly local source for weather news, forecasts and information. One resident however pointed out a neighboring weather station that while more primitive, provides an alternative look at the weather.
The 156th Avenue Weather Station is located just off of 156th Ave and Colorado Boulevard in unincorporated Adams County surrounded by the City of Thornton. The station is provided by “Mr. Schafer” according to the accompanying sign.
Analog instruments for the time, wind and temperature provide the basics while a hanging rock gives more detailed weather conditions. Residents can easily determine the current weather by glancing at the rock.
If the Rock is Wet…….Raining
If the Rock is Warm……Sunny
If the Rock is Cold……Overcast
If the Rock is White…..Snowing
If the Rock is Swinging…..Windy
If the Rock is Bouncing…..Earthquake
If the Rock is Gone…….Weather Station Closed
We’re glad to see the 156th Avenue Weather Station join the local weather scene. Next time you want to know the current weather, you have an alternative to ThorntonWeather.com. 😉
Hat tip to Thornton resident Dana West for letting us know about the 156th Avenue weather station!
It only took 14 years but Denver finally has an official monitoring station near downtown again. The new station amongst the greens of City Park Golf Course finally gives residents of Denver a place to see what the weather is doing closer to home.
With the opening of Denver International Airport in 1995, the National Weather Service moved its station to the new airport. That distance of 12 miles from the old Stapleton facility to DIA confounded citizens, television meteorologists and weather enthusiasts as they all noted that no one lives out at the airport and the conditions reported there do not reflect what is happening closer to town.
Recognizing the problem, a public-private partnership came together to do what they could to rectify the problem. The City and County of Denver, the Denver Museum of Nature and Science, the National Weather Service and NOAA, 7News Chief Meteorologist Mike Nelson and Colorado State Climatologist Nolan Doesken identified a site for the new station.
Eclar Fence and Mercury Electric donated the infrastructure for the new site. Weather equipment manufacturer Vaisala donated the weather monitoring hardware and services, estimated at up to $60,000.
You can view the data from the new station right here on ThorntonWeather.com. Visit our ‘Station Historical Data’ page and select ‘Denver (City Park)’ from the dropdown box.
Certainly there is little doubt the new station will provide area residents the ability to view conditions closer to where they actually live. The new station will not however address the very real problem of Denver’s climate records having been altered since the move to DIA. The National Weather Service has said the official records for Denver will still come out of DIA and as such many believe those records come with an asterisk.
Is there someone on your shopping list that looks out at a blizzard with glee on his or her face? Someone who jumps and runs to the window at hearing thunder or seeing the flash of lightning? Maybe a person for whom the weather warning beep on the TV or radio is music to their ears? Well then this posting is for you. Here are some great gift ideas for the weather geek on your list. If you have any questions about any of these, leave a comment and we will answer them. Also be sure to check out our list of great places to shop for weather gifts.
Books – There are books about every type of weather condition out there. We recently wrote about some of our top picks for weather related books for grownups and adults. Click here for some specific ideas.
Storm Chasing and Weather Clothing – Any proud weather geek will be happy to not only tell someone about their hobby but also to wear it! Shirts and clothing with tornadoes, hurricanes or even ones that proclaim the wearer as a “Weather Geek” or “Weather Diva” are a big hit. Kids love the stuff too.
Weather Radios – You don’t have to be a weather enthusiast to appreciate or need a weather radio – these are great gifts for anyone. These radios are relatively inexpensive and allow you to listen to and monitor the NOAA Weather Radio All Hazards (NWR) system. NWR broadcasts official Weather Service warnings, watches, and forecasts as well as other hazard information like earthquakes, avalanches, chemical spills, and even AMBER alerts. Be sure to get one with SAME coding so it automatically turns on when something is happening in your area.
Emergency Kits – Most folks interested in severe weather are also quite likely a bit survivalist by nature. They know the dangers that the weather presents and want to be prepared for it. An emergency kit for the house or car are not only practical but potentially life saving.
GPS Systems – Handheld GPS systems like those from Garmin and Magellan are a must have for any storm chaser. Models can be had for less than $100 for a basic unit to $600 for ones with 3D mapping capability. Spend the extra money to get one with at least basic, non-3D mapping capability.
Cost: $100 and up. Look to spend between $200 and $300 to get a good one with mapping.
Binoculars – Low tech but effective. You don’t want to get too close to the action and binoculars are a great way to see things from a distance. You’ll want to look for ones that allow plenty of light in but also aren’t so big the user can’t make a run for it if needed.
Personal Weather Stations (PWS) – Amateur meteorology is a surprisingly popular hobby as you will learn if you take a look. A basic $50 station will provide outdoor temperature and humidity. Stepping up a notch to one for around $200 will get you all that plus wind and the ability to hook it up to a computer to archive statistics and create your own weather website like ThorntonWeather.com. $450+ gets a Davis Instruments weather station which is considered about the best an amateur can buy.
Digital Cameras and Camcorders – Pictures and video help to capture the weather conditions as they happen and make for lasting memories. With either of them, ones with powerful zoom lenses are a must in order to capture far away action (you don’t want to get too close to a tornado!). Don’t skimp on quality.
Storm Chasing Vacation – For a weather geek, what could be better than spending a week on the Great Plains hunting down hail storms, supercell thunderstorms and of course tornadoes! Storm chasing as a hobby is growing by leaps and bounds and there are many tour operators that seek to fulfill the dreams of those that want to see extreme weather. This is the ultimate gift! Are you listening to me, Santa?
For more info: Do you have any questions about specific items your weather enthusiast might want or questions about any of the above ideas? Post a comment and we’ll do our best to answer!
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